Thursday, March 24, 2005

How undignified!...

CNN has the answer to why it is okay for judges to order the execution of Terri Schiavo. From it's main web page (as of 9:20 p.m. PST), we read:
Hours after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected pleas to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo on Thursday, her parents again asked a federal judge in Florida to order the brain-damaged woman's feeding tube restored. Courts have consistently ruled against her parents, who want to keep her alive, and in favor of her husband, who says he wants her to die with dignity. (emphasis added)
Of course. That's it. While her cheating husband wants her to die with dignity, her loving parents want her to remain undignified (i.e., alive). God help us.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

I , personally, much rather pass away, then live in that condition. Furthermore, simply overruling state court's jurisdiction is a dangerour precedence that can be abused later on for far more important cases.

Tom said...

You miss the point, Rusty. Terry Schiavo made her wishes for "no tube" known to her legal guardian before this horror occurred. Her legal guardian is carrying out her wishes. The courts are protecting her rights.

If I tell my wife, "Don't keep me alive by extraordinary means if I ever fall into a coma," I expect her to follow my wishes. That she'll protect me. I pray that in the United States of America my wishes and the wishes of my legal guardian if challenged by a mob will be protected by the courts.

It's the role of courts to champion the weak. And frankly I can't think of a weaker voice than Terri Schiavo's against a bullying throng of know-it-all moralizers. Against a bunch of craven, get-me-elected-at-any-cost politicians. (I hope you saw Frist's memo about how this will be a political bonanza for Republicans. He's probably already counting his pieces of silver in new campaign contributions.)

What part of Terri's request for "No tube" is puzzling to you?

Rusty said...

Tom,

The "no tube" request is by no means cut and dried in this case. If it were not so then this issue would have been resolved years ago when the incident occurred. You're accepting the word of someone who is supposed to be married to Terri Schiavo.

During the few times he can pull himself away from impregnating his live-in girlfriend he insists that he has Terri's best interests in mind. How can anyone with even an ounce of sense believe that he has the least bit of concern for her?

Tom said...

Rusty,
re: "..You're accepting the word of someone who is supposed to be married to Terri Schiavo." (Rusty)

No. I'm accepting the word of the trial court and the 30 or 40 judges since that have reviewed the info. What standard did you use? See for example...

"[u]ltimately this case...is about Theresa Schiavo's right to make her own decision, independent of her parents and independent of her husband....the trial judge [made] a decision that the clear and convincing evidence shows the ward [Mrs. Schiavo] made a decision for herself." Schiavo V, 2005 WL 600377, at *4

re: "During the few times he can pull himself away from impregnating his live-in girlfriend he insists that he has Terri's best interests in mind. How can anyone with even an ounce of sense believe that he has the least bit of concern for her?" (Rusty)

First of all, the independent report to Jeb Bush and the Florida judicial system they ordered, says that Michael Schiavo "gave his heart and soul to her treatment and care" over all the years.

Second of all, the same report noted it was Terri's parents, the Schindler's, who encouraged him to start dating!!!

It's simply a sense of compassion and decency that Terri's parents and most people viewing this situation would want Michael to get his life back together.

See for example...

"...an independent report to Gov. Jeb Bush and the judicial system two years ago said 'the evidence is incontrovertible that [Michael Schiavo] gave his heart and soul to her treatment and care.'...The exhaustive 2003 report by Jay Wolfson, professor of public health and medicine at the University of South Florida...."
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-na-michael24mar24,1,4679777.story

"...It took Michael a long time to consider the prospect of getting on with his life---something he was actively encouraged to do by the Schindlers...He was even encouraged by the Schindlers to date...."
(from Wolfson's report to Governor Bush)
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/schiavo/1203galrpt.pdf

Respect Terri's choice about her life. Give the husband a break.

Paul said...

The "no tube" request is by no means cut and dried in this case. If it were not so then this issue would have been resolved years ago when the incident occurred.

Actually it is, as shown by the fact that dozens of judges have indicated that it was. The reason it wasn't over years ago is that our legal system tries to give every benefit of the doubt in such cases, and Mrs Schiavo's parents have very understandably used every doubt for years.

emilysfrogbog said...

Before we could be kept alive, no matter what, by modern technical, people used to die of critical injuries and trauma. I don't think taking a hhigh moral standard about what the husband is doing while his wife is lying brain dead, kept alive, but none functional, non cognizent, by the ad of a tube in her throat. Is this "Life" as we experience? Would anyone choose to live it like this? if they knew beforehand they'd be in this situation? I doubt it.

emilysfrogbog said...

Sorry about the typo's. My server keeps crashing just as I'm about to post keyboard keeps sticking too.

LotharBot said...

"I hope you saw Frist's memo about how this will be a political bonanza for Republicans."

Are you referring to the memo some Democrats were passing around saying it was a Republican talking points memo? The one that was leaked to ABC news with typos, and then later appeared with exactly those typos corrected (but others still present)? The one that copied a save-Terri website verbatim, and then inserted comments like "this is a political bonanza" (which are VERY uncharacteristic for ANY talking points memo, by the way)?

If that's the memo you're talking about... it's authenticity is seriously in doubt. (If you're talking about some other memo, feel free to share.)

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